Totally Unballanced!
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Not to be boastful, but I've been playing my "low end" game for 1 month exactly on a new device.
A Mudflow, a Guitar, and a Clarinet all 11.5x waiting to be crafted.
You laugh, but if I do just one, I think I will be toast to the first unprotected shot I take! I'm just a beginning Tier 5 player here, and will suffer an unbalanced barrage of very difficult base attacks and little resources to retaliate against them.
If I craft even one of them, my guess is I may end up not being able to collect one diamond with PVP again.
What are my choices here? I wasn't going to show this until I had 4 ready to craft, but that will now be a month from now.
A Mudflow, a Guitar, and a Clarinet all 11.5x waiting to be crafted.
You laugh, but if I do just one, I think I will be toast to the first unprotected shot I take! I'm just a beginning Tier 5 player here, and will suffer an unbalanced barrage of very difficult base attacks and little resources to retaliate against them.
If I craft even one of them, my guess is I may end up not being able to collect one diamond with PVP again.
What are my choices here? I wasn't going to show this until I had 4 ready to craft, but that will now be a month from now.
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i would suggest carrying on until you hit tier 9 and maybe craft primary weapons to help you through the campaign. I also wouldn't upgrade weapons too much as again opponents will be much stronger.
my rule of thumb is to try not to go more than 50% weapon power over base power.
so 20k base with 30k weapons, 90k base with 135k weapons etc...
This is like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking! I feel like a kid in a free candy store. Back when matchups were based on AP, and not weapon power, I would have crafted these when offered. But yes, you are correct now.
And, only being able to hit bases double what my 1k weapons are now, I only get an average 1k diamonds, so, getting to hit tier 9 or higher is a long, long way off! By the time I can use these weapons, tier 14 will probably be out, and no telling how many weapons I may have ready to be crafted, at this rate.
How many others are in this predicament? And, I bet many (on the Amazon playing field), have found out they made a big mistake. Haven't heard back from AlaniCh2 - he had the Mudflow I think with a tier 6 base, and seemed to get enough pvp points to continue.
Anyone else have better news for me? Will I be sitting on this nest seemingly forever? Would be nice to harvest the tesla missions waiting for me to do some upgrades! Hint: have not used a dime getting to this point, and don't plan on it.
Then Global Assault, get Rapier and Demon 5x, World on Fire and get Nighthawk and Mantis 6x. I've seen the progression in my high end game. The question remains at what point will I not "shoot myself in the foot" crafting anything in this one!
Brazil with Alligator and Scarab 7x I may be able to ignore and break out all 11x weapons.
Like I said, a long, long way to go to use what I won.
So, how else would I upgrade anything without PvP? You would have me stop playing so I wouldn't be able to have enough parts?
Maybe you don't understand, if the weapons are not crafted, they don't count against matchups. I'm getting typically 2k bases, with an occasional 4-5K thrown in to take my find target spin money. So technically, I have 3 11.5x weapons, but they have to stay in parts, or I won't find a winnable target.
Scorpion's rules may be fine, pay gold to get secondaries, get to next region and base, and repeat. Sounds expensive. Just trying to do it the way I did it on my level 110 game with all 11.5x weapons for free. But, that was when prizes were commensurate with my then tier 6 or 7 and AP was used for matchups. I will be able to progress, just slower than you use to be able to.
And I have no problem staying with the top pack now, except for the constant doubling of diamonds output, but not input. I may be stuck at tier 11 for some time.
The picture at the top of the page should give a clue. Notice the vault size is only 16k? That's my tier 5 game. and no weapons have been crafted, but all the parts are there to do so when I can get to tier 7 - my current thinking. This is on my Galaxy Tab S 8.4.
On my Nexus, I have the Tier 11 game. Only economy is maxed out, so my vault is 1.3M. All 11.5 weapons except Garmr, and 11,852 AP. Here, everything is balanced, and everything is free as well. No problems with either account as far as PvP goes currently. This one started February 20th.
Just would love to brake open the seals on my tier 5 armory, but have known what your telling me is fact. Was hoping to hear someone like AlaniCh2 who crafted the Medusa I think with a Tier 6 base, and said he was still progressing in PvP. Surely, I'm not the only one with weapons won in events that can't use them because of the weapon power matchup scheme GLU now uses?
Playing for free is a possibility! With tier 12 out, that may not be true anymore, unless I don't mind staying at tier 11 - TBD!
I gotcha ... I totally misunderstood your post ... MY BAD ... accept my apologies please
Hey, I'm not the greatest communicator! Sometimes, I only make sense to myself, lol. No need for apologies.
I wish you were right, though!
I could be wrong, but I think it is based on the strongest weapon that you have in your ar-se-nal.
For example, if you have a maxed 10* sniper and a flat 10* Tesla (meaning you haven't injected a single gem to upgrade it), then your attack power is based on the sniper, even if the TESLA has higher power.
See: http://ggnbb.glu.com/showthread.php?149619-Bots-in-PVP-challenges/page2
Cheers
I wish Scorpion left some of the instructional comments he had in this thread, like the one in my post #3, I had him confused with two different accounts, though.
I've had luck with my high end game on even 1/4 updated weapons, I've found when you upgrade, you are budged up a little in the base defense your paired with also. So, it's always upgrade, harder; upgrade, harder. And then an occasional budge up in sorely needed payouts. But, you are spot on - "Vicious cycle man." Hang in there!
I agree with Scorpion and NK14, which is why I wouldn't dare taking that chance. You must be much more "balanced" than I if you have an 8x sniper! By the end of the day, I should finish level 4 Europe, and purchase the Rapier and Demon at only 5x power - still a huge difference compared to the 11.5 weapon parts in my invisible ar_senal.
My motivation to keep this unbalanced account going is to see when I can start breaking out weapons all won using as little free gold as possible. I want to be as much a PIA to GLU as they have been to me with their glitch filled, win streak defeating, bungled updates game. Not going to do that with giving them money, or playing in any other group besides Amazon!
NK14 - good thread to re-read! I always need to read something twice to really get it!
Thank you try_again.
At minimum, what we all have to do, is spread the knowledge. You are one of those people. I respect and cherish that, as you might have seen in my past threads.
Cheers
Thanks much, right back at'cha! Had to read your micromanagement thread 3 times to "get it". I'm slow, so bare with me. And the latest thread on "Changes" is very much needed here. All the info we can get to keep even with this geometric progression keeps us learning to deal with the lousy matchmaking/payback system. You, Scorpion and Bradr752 keep me on my toes in this quick sand!
Handles, I propose that level be displayed in place of of victory points. This way we can choose a good matchup.
Here are my stats. What do you guys think? It is an uphill battle winning diamonds right now. I'm sure a made a mistake somewhere.
Level= 70
Primary= Alligator(8448),scarab(8448)
Secondary= none
Base= tier 6 (4200)
Drone= 6400 (1k power components)
Your mistake is very common. Your guns outrun your base.
Your player health is low compared to the opponents you have to face.
GLU will select an opponent for you based on your weapons, not your base.
(see here a few details about the match making system: http://ggnbb.glu.com/showthread.php?149619-Bots-in-PVP-challenges/page2)
What you have to do is focus on updating your base. Build up your base and never let it again behind.
If you have a 6* base, your weapons cannot be more than 7* or else you will be paired with opponents you cannot take down.
Cheers.
(PS> Another very useful thread on this issue: http://ggnbb.glu.com/showthread.php?158973-Base-Upgrades)
Thank you Aaron.
Increasing your health is benefit enough, if you ask me.
110 player is not a problem to take down with a 11.5 TESLA or a 12.5 HEAVY, when having a TIER 12 player health (without using medkits).
I think that your base should not be more than one star lower than your best weapon.
There are dozens of players complaining about that because they simply did not follow that rule.
There are others that have won powerful weapons and do not even craft them so that they don't break the rule.
Imagine that they have won a 12.5 heavy yesterday and don't use it because their base is 10 or lower, and they are correct! This must say something to you.
PS. Did you win the Heavy yesterday?
You have 3 weeks before you have to get a new weapon. Good luck, homie! What lv is your base?
I have found that your player health does help somewhat on offense, you have more health points to lose. As far as defense is concerned, since we can't see what is going on, it is hard to say what exactly more player health is going to do for you. Keep in mind that while you are on "defense", the attacking player can use as many med kits as needed to defeat you.
Most of us are having the same problem with the short range battles. Our short range weapons are woefully under powered when compared to the bases that we are facing. Short range battles are very extremely hard to win without multiple medkits.