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How Does Defense Get Applied?

Gonzalo SpicerGonzalo Spicer Registered Users 12 Posts
in EW3 FAQ, Support, and Announcements
After receiving a Godly piece I wanted to see what the damage reduction would be due to the increased defense. According to my preliminary testing the answer is none.

Can someone explain how this is supposed to work?

Starting defense (Unbreakable Chest): 4036.9
Damage from Hell Boy (one hit): 1724

Defense after equipping Godly Chest: 4285.4
Damage from Hell Boy: 1724

This does not seem correct, my defense increased by ~6% shouldn't there be some sort of reduction in damage? All runes were kept the same.

I would appreciate it if someone could shed some light on this discrepancy.

Links to the supporting screenshots below.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfQ2FsYXVvcnNPeEU
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfSE1Ob1JqLXBlWDA
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfSFVMTVdQdmFkOUE
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfUFhseHZDZGtheDQ
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfWk5xdzFVMjYwQlk
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfY211UUw4MGdGQWs
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfYnFsOUE1Um0wT3M
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B79zDVpdo8WfaVR0V3FKVzd3ZzQ

Regards

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    VoidBladerVoidBlader Registered Users 255 Posts
    Minimum Damage.
    Every monster has it own minimum dmg it can do to you.
    I don't really know how it be calculate... May be 10% of it max atk dmg?
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    Gonzalo SpicerGonzalo Spicer Registered Users 12 Posts
    So call me obsessed, but I had a Wondrous chest drop and figured I would do a little more exploring.

    Against Oni I get the following results:

    Defense (Wondrous Chest): 3814.6
    Damage From Oni: 3607

    Defense (Godly Chest): 4285.4
    Damage From Oni: 3607

    All runes the same

    Here a 12% increase in defense had zero reduction in damage, against a boss with a GS recommendation of 10000.

    My only other godly piece is my helm, this tells me that defense is capped below the Godly gear level.

    In other words, Godly gear only adds to your hit points, there is no other tactical benefit.

    Can anyone else confirm this?

    Thanks

    P.S. This would have been great to know before spending all that gold on the skill that raises defense...

    -Ninja Edit-

    Should have searched earlier as this was already discussed in the thread linked below.
    http://ggnbb.glu.com/showthread.php?95113-Question-on-Armor-s-Defense&highlight=defense

    That being said, can we get this info added to the EW primer? Also it's strange that the defense cap is below an entire equipment tier.

    -Ninja out-
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    flamerio88flamerio88 Registered Users 46 Posts
    in this forum all member, make me "wkwkwkkwkk"...



    use a mod, and you NEVER DIE


    think again, broo
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    EagleOneEagleOne Registered Users 18 Posts
    Yeah, this is an obvious oversight in the game that I believe needs to be recalibrated. Offense is the main driver to a character's success. Weapon, ring, and talisman are first tier items, while armor set is 2nd tier, in my opinion. I have all godly items except for talisman, and my weapon is best epic before the gold items dropping in levels 110+ in endless (which I have yet to see one of in over a month of only farming endless 110+). I started out with the unbreakable armor set when I started repping the endless 110+. I was able to complete up through wave 125 consistently. Now with Godly items equipped, I experience pretty much the same success with a rare completion up through wave 130 without using pots. If the GS of the godly items are 250+ GS better than unbreakable, I would have thought the results would be much different. Clearly the offensive items have a much bigger role, and disappointingly are much much harder to find than the armor sets when it comes to endless 110+.
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    jleonrajleonra Registered Users 20 Posts
    This is the reason why legit players can't go beyond wave 150 in endless, any player beyond that is using a mod for sure. The damage taken is insane, almost 1 hit KO from any mob.
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    MolochMoloch Registered Users 279 Posts
    EagleOne wrote: »
    Yeah, this is an obvious oversight in the game that I believe needs to be recalibrated. Offense is the main driver to a character's success. Weapon, ring, and talisman are first tier items, while armor set is 2nd tier, in my opinion. I have all godly items except for talisman, and my weapon is best epic before the gold items dropping in levels 110+ in endless (which I have yet to see one of in over a month of only farming endless 110+). I started out with the unbreakable armor set when I started repping the endless 110+. I was able to complete up through wave 125 consistently. Now with Godly items equipped, I experience pretty much the same success with a rare completion up through wave 130 without using pots. If the GS of the godly items are 250+ GS better than unbreakable, I would have thought the results would be much different. Clearly the offensive items have a much bigger role, and disappointingly are much much harder to find than the armor sets when it comes to endless 110+.

    This is by design. The intended upgrade path is offense, then defense. This is why the weapon is the first gear upgrade at a new tier with the helm. Offense will carry you so far, and then you need the armor to push you through.
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    Gonzalo SpicerGonzalo Spicer Registered Users 12 Posts
    Moloch, I am really trying to stay civil here however statements like "This is why the weapon is the first gear upgrade at a new tier with the helm." drive, me a little crazy.

    If I do not have the next tier weapon I CAN NOT MOVE ONTO THE NEW CONTENT.

    This is very frustrating when Oni is sitting there, knowing he has a blade that I need, yet the only thing that I can use in game to get that blade IS A BLADE OF THE SAME TIER. This is because armor, apparently, does not work as advertised.

    Let’s look at the example below (assuming the picture worked).

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nxmt931ekn8itvt/GS-Test.JPG

    You can see the stated GS increase of the godly chest was 38% over the unbreakable chest, however when you set the defense increase to 0 (since there is a defense cap and godly gear is above that for Oni) there is actually only a 19% increase to the GS.

    Again it just drives me a little crazy that there is so much false advertisement going on here. To say that you need "armor to push you through" is just plain false.

    Half of the calculated GS on Godly armor does nothing; the only thing you get out of Godly armor is an increase to hit points. That. Is. It.

    -Peace-
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    guacamoleguacamole Registered Users 26 Posts
    Gonzalo Spicer wrote: »
    Moloch, I am really trying to stay civil here however statements like "This is why the weapon is the first gear upgrade at a new tier with the helm." drive, me a little crazy.

    If I do not have the next tier weapon I CAN NOT MOVE ONTO THE NEW CONTENT.

    This is very frustrating when Oni is sitting there, knowing he has a blade that I need, yet the only thing that I can use in game to get that blade IS A BLADE OF THE SAME TIER. This is because armor, apparently, does not work as advertised.

    Let’s look at the example below (assuming the picture worked).

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nxmt931ekn8itvt/GS-Test.JPG

    You can see the stated GS increase of the godly chest was 38% over the unbreakable chest, however when you set the defense increase to 0 (since there is a defense cap and godly gear is above that for Oni) there is actually only a 19% increase to the GS.

    Again it just drives me a little crazy that there is so much false advertisement going on here. To say that you need "armor to push you through" is just plain false.

    Half of the calculated GS on Godly armor does nothing; the only thing you get out of Godly armor is an increase to hit points. That. Is. It.

    -Peace-


    Is it a maxed weapon? I thought the benefit from the weapon was that you could get it much higher. Before it's upgraded it may be the same?
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    XephraimXephraim Registered Users 130 Posts
    Gonzalo Spicer wrote: »
    Moloch, I am really trying to stay civil here however statements like "This is why the weapon is the first gear upgrade at a new tier with the helm." drive, me a little crazy.

    If I do not have the next tier weapon I CAN NOT MOVE ONTO THE NEW CONTENT.

    This is very frustrating when Oni is sitting there, knowing he has a blade that I need, yet the only thing that I can use in game to get that blade IS A BLADE OF THE SAME TIER. This is because armor, apparently, does not work as advertised.

    Let’s look at the example below (assuming the picture worked).

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nxmt931ekn8itvt/GS-Test.JPG

    You can see the stated GS increase of the godly chest was 38% over the unbreakable chest, however when you set the defense increase to 0 (since there is a defense cap and godly gear is above that for Oni) there is actually only a 19% increase to the GS.

    Again it just drives me a little crazy that there is so much false advertisement going on here. To say that you need "armor to push you through" is just plain false.

    Half of the calculated GS on Godly armor does nothing; the only thing you get out of Godly armor is an increase to hit points. That. Is. It.

    -Peace-

    Please remind that the oni general is the strongest boss at the moment and to make it clear: you do not need a weapon of the same tier.

    You may as well try getting a purple/gold T8 weapon in endless. You can also go for the oni general with T7 purple/gold weapon. The strongest boss in the game is meant to be strong.
    I'd also like to recommend to not farm for the oni blade because the droprate is low and it could be that you farm oni general from now on until spirit bridge is gone and you still wouldn't get it. Either you have luck or not.
    Other drops of oni general are also most times green and grey.
    What you should do:
    1st) endless
    2nd) hellboy (because: DPSS, gold, fusing material, less time, purple/gold weapon, etc.)

    If you can beat oni general you can beat him daily for the 30 tokens which are quite worthy.

    And you still can "move" to new content even if you don't have the best weapon available at the moment.
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    MolochMoloch Registered Users 279 Posts
    Gonzalo Spicer wrote: »
    Moloch, I am really trying to stay civil here however statements like "This is why the weapon is the first gear upgrade at a new tier with the helm." drive, me a little crazy.

    If I do not have the next tier weapon I CAN NOT MOVE ONTO THE NEW CONTENT.

    This is very frustrating when Oni is sitting there, knowing he has a blade that I need, yet the only thing that I can use in game to get that blade IS A BLADE OF THE SAME TIER. This is because armor, apparently, does not work as advertised.

    Let’s look at the example below (assuming the picture worked).

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nxmt931ekn8itvt/GS-Test.JPG

    You can see the stated GS increase of the godly chest was 38% over the unbreakable chest, however when you set the defense increase to 0 (since there is a defense cap and godly gear is above that for Oni) there is actually only a 19% increase to the GS.

    Again it just drives me a little crazy that there is so much false advertisement going on here. To say that you need "armor to push you through" is just plain false.

    Half of the calculated GS on Godly armor does nothing; the only thing you get out of Godly armor is an increase to hit points. That. Is. It.

    -Peace-

    I should have been more clear that my statement was in regards to the normal progression of the game. As Xephraim noted, the Oni General is a "beyond end game" boss. He is harder than the normal progression, and stands in his own category of someone to fight for people who are at end game. Although I'd be willing to bet some people can kill him before that, it would just take time and skill. Some of you players are crazy good. If you are trying to get a T8 gold, I'd honestly recommend Endless if you can kill at the correct level there.
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