Is ATG Mantle worth leveling? *gulp*

thickagethickage Registered Users, Member 227 Posts
I find it crazy to ask, but even after an ATG bump to 530, it still begs the question - is Mantle even worth the hassle of upgrading now that guys like Holiday Ted et al. are out? ATG takes more resources to level and the Mantle EVO looks nightmare-ish. Do I have to buy a mountain of gold just to get the evo for Mantle?

Personally, I'm in no rush but having a switch hitter is a nice option in my opinion. I'm sure he's solid for the other events and a great guy to tuck in the middle of the lineup with that crazy power number, but what does everyone think? I've already heard the horror stories about Mantle not being WOH worthy at 5-10...  I'll probably wait until we see if he transitions to TSP 19...




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  • DFBBDFBB Registered Users, Moderators, Member, Moderator 6,602 Posts
    You asking if he's worth taking to Plat? Let's just say I wish I had saved my gold.
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  • thickagethickage Registered Users, Member 227 Posts
    DFBB said:
    You asking if he's worth taking to Plat? Let's just say I wish I had saved my gold.
    No, sorry. This was a screenshot I stole from another post. Asking if he's worth taking to Gold level - and I guess beyond. I'm assuming it's really not worth going beyond Gold as the evo must be insane. Regardless, the track to Gold level seems daunting enough. 
  • DFBBDFBB Registered Users, Moderators, Member, Moderator 6,602 Posts
    I would definitely take him to Gold. He's the best vs leftys for WoH. Unfortunately, Late innings doesn't activate in CvC so he's basically just a WoH specialist vs leftys. 
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  • MattattackMattattack Registered Users 1,971 Posts
    If you are planning to go platinum I'd say no.   @DFBB put it the best to me.  He is essentially a WOH specialist with the late inning skill.  And how often have lefties been at the end lately meaning 5.9 or 5.10, not much lately.  At the end of the day its about what part of the game you enjoy.  IMO I'd say if you are gonna invest in ATGs above gold, I'd use Babe and Hank because the RISP skill makes them useful for other modes like CVC.
  • thickagethickage Registered Users, Member 227 Posts
    WOH is definitely my favorite part of the game. The late inning skill is actually useful in the other events like Prime, Bonus, Season, etc. so it's not a wasted skill to me as that would also activate versus righties in other scenarios.  If Mantle ports over to TSP 19, I'm sure I'd eventually level him to Gold 10 to have the power switch hitter in the middle of the lineup and to also put on the occasional WOH show. 
  • MattattackMattattack Registered Users 1,971 Posts
    Yea i dont think there is any issue taking him to gold.  Its above that where it gets pricey.  
  • Wicked0WildcatsWicked0Wildcats Registered Users, Member 1,040 Posts
    I have Mantle at Gold 10 with his skills around 15 and to be honest he isn't all that great against RHP.  You get a Blake Snell or Kershaw at 5-10 and he's gold but those guys have become few and far between.  

    I was probably less than 10% with the 80 gold boost against Marichal with Mantle this week.  When I switched to a 490 max boosted Edwin E with double late innings skill, my success rose closer to about 30%.  

    The cold reality of WOH is that you need a plus hitter,  2 active skills, and a boost to be able to be even remotely consistent on 5-10, and the bar gets higher each week as the players get better.
  • stevebalbonistevebalboni Registered Users, Member 108 Posts
    All that is true. But mantle: very versatile. Switch hitter. 328 hitting. Two active skills in woh against leftys. 

    Even though he’s eclipsed on 5-10 in some scenarios.  I used him on Langston and never lost. Plus all the times he’s dominated 5-10 when it’s a lefty. 
  • aaronchennaaronchenn Registered Users, Member 455 Posts
    Late innings doesn't activate for WOH?
  • thickagethickage Registered Users, Member 227 Posts
    Late innings doesn't activate for WOH?
    Yes, it does. The point being it also activates in other games, not just WOH. 
  • ProbodybuilderProbodybuilder Registered Users 337 Posts
    Late innings doesn't activate for WOH?
    There is a guy on the forum that said he cycled multiple times with Edwin E yesterday. He has double late innings.  So im assuming it does activate. 
  • thickagethickage Registered Users, Member 227 Posts
    Late innings definitely activates in WOH. I have multiple players with that skill. 
  • jpuck6190jpuck6190 Registered Users, Member 156 Posts
    @aaronchenn what @DFBB said was late inning skill doesnt activate in CVC. It is always active for walkoff. Late innings skill is the best for walkoff in my opinion because its not arm specific.
  • DFBBDFBB Registered Users, Moderators, Member, Moderator 6,602 Posts
    Mantle is clearly the best bat vs leftys in WoH, but he's far from the best bat vs leftys in other modes. On top of that, a lefty is very rarely used as a 5.10 boss. He's automatic vs a lefty in 5.9 and below, but there are similar bats that can also get the job done. IMO, gold and below is an easy decision, but anything above simply doesn't justify the ATG cost. 
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  • Wicked0WildcatsWicked0Wildcats Registered Users, Member 1,040 Posts
    edited January 2019
    I only worry about WOH and CvsC.  So in my opinion, the following boosts aren't ever worth investing in: Bases loaded, bases empty, hot hitter, 2 out hitter, blowout, bonus game, tournament, season mode, prime event, head to head, tie game

    I rarely see most of these anymore,  but the ones that I do are seldom active in WOH or CvsC.

    So that leaves late innings, WOH, CvsC, lefty, righty, and RISP as worth investing in.  I prefer not to use RISP skilled players in 5-10 as they are not active from the beginning and there's really no way to prove they ever become active.  I have a LL Votto with RISP and vs. RHP that I do like for 5-9.

    Some guys will almost always have one boost active but not the second.  They are basically your jack of all trades/master of none.  Good for your low to mid levels of WOH and you can plug them in to your CvsC lineup without worrying about them being a liability.  Not ideal for 5-9 or higher.  

    Double late innings are perfect for any pitcher in WOH, but downgrade big in CvsC.  Likewise for double CvsC in WOH.  Double handedness skill, particularly vs. RHP, is useful in either with the right matchup which is why I've wanted the LL Trout so badly.

    Strategy is becoming more and more of a thing in this game rather than just putting out your 9 best guys and plugging away.  It shouldn't be unusual these days to change your lineup regularly depending on the event.
  • Babybombers9Babybombers9 Registered Users, Member 212 Posts
    I only worry about WOH and CvsC.  So in my opinion, the following boosts aren't ever worth investing in: Bases loaded, bases empty, hot hitter, 2 out hitter, blowout, bonus game, tournament, season mode, prime event, head to head, tie game

    I rarely see most of these anymore,  but the ones that I do are seldom active in WOH or CvsC.

    So that leaves late innings, WOH, CvsC, lefty, righty, and RISP as worth investing in.  I prefer not to use RISP skilled players in 5-10 as they are not active from the beginning and there's really no way to prove they ever become active.  I have a LL Votto with RISP and vs. RHP that I do like for 5-9.

    Some guys will almost always have one boost active but not the second.  They are basically your jack of all trades/master of none.  Good for your low to mid levels of WOH and you can plug them in to your CvsC lineup without worrying about them being a liability.  Not ideal for 5-9 or higher.  

    Double late innings are perfect for any pitcher in WOH, but downgrade big in CvsC.  Likewise for double CvsC in WOH.  Double handedness skill, particularly vs. RHP, is useful in either with the right matchup which is why I've wanted the LL Trout so badly.

    Strategy is becoming more and more of a thing in this game rather than just putting out your 9 best guys and plugging away.  It shouldn't be unusual these days to change your lineup regularly depending on the event.
    I've got a couple guys with LHP and blowout as a skill. So I stick them at the end of my CVC lineup to salvage that blowout skill. Figure I'll have the four runs necessary to activate it by the 8th and 9th batters. But oveall I try to avoid players with that skill too.
  • Wicked0WildcatsWicked0Wildcats Registered Users, Member 1,040 Posts
    edited January 2019
    What has disappointed me about ATGs is that I guess I just naturally expected them to be a cut above everyone else and that's clearly not the case.  In many situations there are superior options on the high levels of WOH.  

    I think the only real advantage of ATGs is that they never become obsolete.  We all have guys that were our studs 3 months ago and consider them trash now, but ATGs always get the bump to the top and thus will always be among your best.

    With that said if I ever get another ATG I'll be leveling them up to Bronze 10 and immediately trading them in with no hesitation.
  • JEDDDOGGYJEDDDOGGY Registered Users, Member 2,460 Posts
    Oh yes, I clearly recall how bad I pined for LL Trout and then LL Votto. I could've spent thousands of real life dollars chasing them via the legends boxes, but then here comes Holiday Teddy a couple weeks later for thirty bucks and is max 525 to their 510.
  • thickagethickage Registered Users, Member 227 Posts
    What has disappointed me about ATGs is that I guess I just naturally expected them to be a cut above everyone else and that's clearly not the case.  In many situations there are superior options on the high levels of WOH.  

    I think the only real advantage of ATGs is that they never become obsolete.  We all have guys that were our studs 3 months ago and consider them trash now, but ATGs always get the bump to the top and thus will always be among your best.

    With that said if I ever get another ATG I'll be leveling them up to Bronze 10 and immediately trading them in with no hesitation.
    Great point about ATGs getting bumped. I guess that is better than the Williams 2.0 Legend I leveled a month ago that was made obsolete by Holiday Williams to some degree. The ATG should always live comfortably in the lineup. 

    Just hoping my guys port over to TSP 19 or I’m done building anyway. :)
  • thickagethickage Registered Users, Member 227 Posts
    With that said if I ever get another ATG I'll be leveling them up to Bronze 10 and immediately trading them in with no hesitation.
    I’ve heard this a couple of times now - what’s the benefit of leveling and then trading in?
  • Wicked0WildcatsWicked0Wildcats Registered Users, Member 1,040 Posts
    thickage said:
    With that said if I ever get another ATG I'll be leveling them up to Bronze 10 and immediately trading them in with no hesitation.
    I’ve heard this a couple of times now - what’s the benefit of leveling and then trading in?
    @thickage
    When you trade in a ATG, you get their type of EVO,  equivalent to whatever their overall rating is.  

    If you never plan to go higher than gold, it doesn't really matter, but bringing them up to Bronze 10 first obviously gives you that much more EVO.

    The trick is, for it to ever matter, you have to get them a second time.  But if you do, you already have as much of their EVO to level them up as you need, without needing to spend gold on all of their EVO boxes.
  • DFBBDFBB Registered Users, Moderators, Member, Moderator 6,602 Posts
    @JEDDDOGGY Yup, for $30, you were able to get the best player in the game(Holiday Ted). Lesson learned. I will never pour so much gold/resources into any one player again.
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  • MattattackMattattack Registered Users 1,971 Posts
    Just went platinum today and it took about 25K gold for Babe evos and keep in mind Babe ones are discounted
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