Hello all,
Its pretty apparent that most players are upset about the recent increase in "Tie Results" and we hear you.
Let me start by explaining exactly what is going on.
Months ago, we had a system in the game where it checks data for anything that was off, or didn't match our records. Data that players may have changed to try and cheat the system. If our checks came up with something that didn't match, we would "Disqualify" the racer or DQ as it became known as. That would mean the racer with the "mismatched" data would lose.
Now, due to quality of connections, issues with devices etc, many people who lost to DQs complained that they didn't cheat. We conceded that it was possible certain discrepancies were caused by device/connection issues in some of these cases. The player base demanded it be changed. So we listened and we did change it. Instead of losing, a "DQ" result ends in a tie. Since we couldn't 100% say that a racer was cheating, we figured the best solution would be that no one won. A tie result means no one wins, no one loses. No one uses a boost and no one gains engine damage. Basically, it's as if the race never happened.
So currently, something we think is a cheat, becomes a tie.Why don't we just ban/make players lose instead. Because you told us not to. To be fair, it's because we also cannot determine if these "discrepancies" mean someone is cheating or if its something wrong with a connection or due to an older device.
A few weeks ago we learned that some players who apparently don't know how to play a game properly, started using third party programs to give them unfair advantages when racing. In other words, these players were cheating because they were either afraid their race skills were super sub-par or they were evilly greedy because they wanted to take your stuff. (Can you tell how much I love these losers?)
Because of that we changed it so that if you were playing Rivals on Facebook and you "clicked" outside the Rivals window during a race, you DQed. Meaning, it ended in a Tie.
What we did not foresee, (because we think highly of our players) is that some players would use this to their advantage. So, they started doing this to make sure they didn't lose. Awesome right?
So once again, because some players don't have the skillz to beat you legitimately, they resort to "cheating" to gain an advantage because apparently playing a game is too hard for them, we are looking at different options. Unfortunately, any change we make may require another update so it will take time.
You can thank these players or rather, non-players for this.They're just afraid of all you legit racers.
- Ryyst
IGN: The Real {RR} Ryyst
Soon to be Ex-Carbonated Community Manager
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It's unfair to tablets or phone players because you get really good reaction times. Anyone who tried Facebook doesn't play on their other devices anymore (I'm one of them).
I get at least 4-5 0.000 RT every weekend I play in turf. Never got close to this on iPhone/iPad.
And, it's so much easier to find glitches on a PC. Did you see that racing bot video? And now you're stuck with people just having to clic outside their browser to keep their money/car?
http://forums.racingrivals.com/rivals/discussion/5369874/redmonster26-voucher-page/p1?new=1
Its pretty apparent that most players are upset about the recent increase in "Tie Results" and we hear you.
Let me start by explaining exactly what is going on.
Months ago, we had a system in the game where it checks data for anything that was off, or didn't match our records. Data that players may have changed to try and cheat the system. If our checks came up with something that didn't match, we would "Disqualify" the racer or DQ as it became known as. That would mean the racer with the "mismatched" data would lose.
Now, due to quality of connections, issues with devices etc, many people who lost to DQs complained that they didn't cheat. We conceded that it was possible certain discrepancies were caused by device/connection issues in some of these cases. The player base demanded it be changed. So we listened and we did change it. Instead of losing, a "DQ" result ends in a tie. Since we couldn't 100% say that a racer was cheating, we figured the best solution would be that no one won. A tie result means no one wins, no one loses. No one uses a boost and no one gains engine damage. Basically, it's as if the race never happened.
So currently, something we think is a cheat, becomes a tie.Why don't we just ban/make players lose instead. Because you told us not to. To be fair, it's because we also cannot determine if these "discrepancies" mean someone is cheating or if its something wrong with a connection or due to an older device.
A few weeks ago we learned that some players who apparently don't know how to play a game properly, started using third party programs to give them unfair advantages when racing. In other words, these players were cheating because they were either afraid their race skills were super sub-par or they were evilly greedy because they wanted to take your stuff. (Can you tell how much I love these losers?)
Because of that we changed it so that if you were playing Rivals on Facebook and you "clicked" outside the Rivals window during a race, you DQed. Meaning, it ended in a Tie.
What we did not foresee, (because we think highly of our players) is that some players would use this to their advantage. So, they started doing this to make sure they didn't lose. Awesome right?
So once again, because some players don't have the skillz to beat you legitimately, they resort to "cheating" to gain an advantage because apparently playing a game is too hard for them, we are looking at different options. Unfortunately, any change we make may require another update so it will take time.
You can thank these players or rather, non-players for this.They're just afraid of all you legit racers.
- Ryyst
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Too late I already lost my car to a guy who challenged me three times winning two times and burning the launch the 3rd time ;_; god damn cheaters still no report response
What we did not foresee, (because we think highly of our players) is that some players would use this to their advantage. So, they started doing this to make sure they didn't lose. Awesome right?
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Unfortunately, any change we make may require another update so it will take time.
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Thanks for the update Ryyst. In reference to the above, there will always be unintended consequences of any changes made, and what I appreciate is the willingness to go back to the drawing board again considering the current abuse of the designed tie behavior to address prior cheating. In my line of work, I would be consulting you on the cost:benefit of keeping the FB app at this point, specifically looking at the revenue generated from FB users against the dramatic rise in customer support costs to restore accounts and cars, accompanied by the ongoing development and maintenance costs of the FB app, as well as damage to the brand from negative reviews and lost revenue potential as a result of the cheating it has enabled since released. I do hope you and the team are able to make some educated guesses here to see if there still is economic benefit of continuing to support the FB app going forward. Of course I do not know the answer, but as I've said in the past, I hope there are sound business reasons for any future decisions made.
In the meantime, is there any stopgap measure you could put into place to reduce the prevalence of using the tie behavior as a cheat? Could you send a message to the FB user every time they clicked outside the window stating that behavior is not allowed? Could you cause their game to force a wait period, growing longer every time the app window lost focus? Could you suspend their account at a certain point? Is there anything you can do easily in the meantime to improve the turf wars experience until a longer lasting fix is in place?
Even if they can control cheaters, it will still be an unfair match because of the incredible RT Facebook players get...
Anyone here on iOS or Android ever got a 0.000 RT?
Because of that we changed it so that if you were playing Rivals on Facebook and you "clicked" outside the Rivals window during a race, you DQed. Meaning, it ended in a Tie.
What we did not foresee, (because we think highly of our players) is that some players would use this to their advantage. So, they started doing this to make sure they didn't lose. Awesome right?
- Ryyst
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I have 2 thing to say about this being one of the "dirty facebook players" (i have a blackberry there fore it is the only way i can play)
1 this would have been nice information to have i spent all last weekend trying to figure out why i was being called a "glitch abuser" thinking why are they doing the tie glitch on me even when they win while i had 2 tabs open at the same time clicking back and forth while playing and now i see it WAS me causing it
2 this has to be the worst fix of an issue i have ever saw......... to have it so all you need to do is click outside the game to make it an tie race it is that easy to do and it is explaned exactly what to do above that even the most honest player can see this and run a race to just say i am losing OH i just need to click over here and the race don't count
thats my rant
Its pretty apparent that most players are upset about the recent increase in "Tie Results" and we hear you.
Let me start by explaining exactly what is going on.
Months ago, we had a system in the game where it checks data for anything that was off, or didn't match our records. Data that players may have changed to try and cheat the system. If our checks came up with something that didn't match, we would "Disqualify" the racer or DQ as it became known as. That would mean the racer with the "mismatched" data would lose.
Now, due to quality of connections, issues with devices etc, many people who lost to DQs complained that they didn't cheat. We conceded that it was possible certain discrepancies were caused by device/connection issues in some of these cases. The player base demanded it be changed. So we listened and we did change it. Instead of losing, a "DQ" result ends in a tie. Since we couldn't 100% say that a racer was cheating, we figured the best solution would be that no one won. A tie result means no one wins, no one loses. No one uses a boost and no one gains engine damage. Basically, it's as if the race never happened.
So currently, something we think is a cheat, becomes a tie.Why don't we just ban/make players lose instead. Because you told us not to. To be fair, it's because we also cannot determine if these "discrepancies" mean someone is cheating or if its something wrong with a connection or due to an older device.
A few weeks ago we learned that some players who apparently don't know how to play a game properly, started using third party programs to give them unfair advantages when racing. In other words, these players were cheating because they were either afraid their race skills were super sub-par or they were evilly greedy because they wanted to take your stuff. (Can you tell how much I love these losers?)
Because of that we changed it so that if you were playing Rivals on Facebook and you "clicked" outside the Rivals window during a race, you DQed. Meaning, it ended in a Tie.
What we did not foresee, (because we think highly of our players) is that some players would use this to their advantage. So, they started doing this to make sure they didn't lose. Awesome right?
So once again, because some players don't have the skillz to beat you legitimately, they resort to "cheating" to gain an advantage because apparently playing a game is too hard for them, we are looking at different options. Unfortunately, any change we make may require another update so it will take time.
You can thank these players or rather, non-players for this.They're just afraid of all you legit racers.
- Ryyst
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I hit up a guy for a race and he pinked me ,we raced and I won .then window pops up and says invalid race.race was a tie.
Now clicking off the game while racing ends the race in a tie is a great idea..... If I didn't have to reach across the damn mouse pad to hit the launch button. Im not really sure why we can't use the left 1/2 of the key for launch buttons. I screw myself plenty playing on the computer bumping the mouse pad then the launch buttons don't work. Regardless what you play on it has down falls. Their are races that I would of won that we tied on since I must have hit the mouse pad.
Its too easy, anyone can do it. You dont need a youtube video to figure it out you just need to come to this post and see how its done. Something this effective and easy to do will spread like wildfire. Mind you we are still in the stages of most dont know how it works or know people are causing it.
The long term effects of this are going to happen very rappidly. it will spread firstly to facebook users whether they discover accedently, hear about in game, or read this post the temptation will be too much most will atleast see if it works in a free race, then will they use it again? Once they discover the power who knows.
The next effect will be people who discover it and want to try it out. They will try it out probably never go back to mobile devices because as some of you have pointed out its easier to get good rt, and again they will have the tie glitch their back pocket.
Then you will have people who get tired of getting taken advantage of that will go to facebook to even the odds discover good rts stay on fb, yada yada. Also will have the glitch in there back pocket.
If this occurs the # of fb players will skyrocket, giving glu a reason to never get rid of pc users, in addition make pink slipping a joke(it already has made this happen to a degree), also, when they do fix there will be alot more people on computers so the next time a hack or glitch happens it will spread faster.
Whats the long term affect maybe nothing, maybe they fix it and all is well. But we can assume for sure it will spread quickly, pinking is gunna be joke till its fixed, and there is probably going to be a mass movement to computer use. I know i will probably go to my computer soon, will i glitch someone? Who knows maybe i will fall into the third category, or worse maybe it will turn my good hearted soul evil as my greed grows with the power of the glitch.
Its pretty apparent that most players are upset about the recent increase in "Tie Results" and we hear you.
Let me start by explaining exactly what is going on.
Months ago, we had a system in the game where it checks data for anything that was off, or didn't match our records. Data that players may have changed to try and cheat the system. If our checks came up with something that didn't match, we would "Disqualify" the racer or DQ as it became known as. That would mean the racer with the "mismatched" data would lose.
Now, due to quality of connections, issues with devices etc, many people who lost to DQs complained that they didn't cheat. We conceded that it was possible certain discrepancies were caused by device/connection issues in some of these cases. The player base demanded it be changed. So we listened and we did change it. Instead of losing, a "DQ" result ends in a tie. Since we couldn't 100% say that a racer was cheating, we figured the best solution would be that no one won. A tie result means no one wins, no one loses. No one uses a boost and no one gains engine damage. Basically, it's as if the race never happened.
So currently, something we think is a cheat, becomes a tie.Why don't we just ban/make players lose instead. Because you told us not to. To be fair, it's because we also cannot determine if these "discrepancies" mean someone is cheating or if its something wrong with a connection or due to an older device.
A few weeks ago we learned that some players who apparently don't know how to play a game properly, started using third party programs to give them unfair advantages when racing. In other words, these players were cheating because they were either afraid their race skills were super sub-par or they were evilly greedy because they wanted to take your stuff. (Can you tell how much I love these losers?)
Because of that we changed it so that if you were playing Rivals on Facebook and you "clicked" outside the Rivals window during a race, you DQed. Meaning, it ended in a Tie.
What we did not foresee, (because we think highly of our players) is that some players would use this to their advantage. So, they started doing this to make sure they didn't lose. Awesome right?
So once again, because some players don't have the skillz to beat you legitimately, they resort to "cheating" to gain an advantage because apparently playing a game is too hard for them, we are looking at different options. Unfortunately, any change we make may require another update so it will take time.
You can thank these players or rather, non-players for this.They're just afraid of all you legit racers.
- Ryyst
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You should send a message in the game to players the same way you did when you had the maintenance a couple weeks ago. Let EVERYONE know you are aware of the situation. I know I just received a message back after reporting players for tie glitching me. So I googled and found this thread. Reach out to everyone and let them know the team sees that there is an issue and that you are looking for a resolution at this time. People in the game chats just think you are blind eyeing it. Thanks ryyst for posting this. Like everyone else said, I vote out with facebook. I never have liked it. Don't have one and never plan to get one.