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The (not very) definitive guide to choosing a "keeper".
CaptJack
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I've been playing '19 since the beta was released in Canada. IMHO, a couple of weeks from now, most of you will be laughing at all the time wasted figuring out which keepers to take. I know I already have about my own.
Here's what you want in a keeper:
- 2x infielders (preferably C, 1st or SS). Don't take an OF! They are a dime a dozen.
- 2x skills where at least 1 is not game specific (i.e. no 2x WOH/CVC). WOH rewards aren't the same this early in the season. You get a whopping 750 BXP for completing level 4! That doesn't get you far. If you only concentrate on WOH, don't expect to have a good team anytime soon. note: you will probably never level a keeper's skills past 3 due to the cost
- You want the players with the highest Hit and/or Power. You don't need a balanced player and speed is useless. I'd rather a batter hit it out of the infield or over the fence than beat out a double play.
- Any 500+ player will do. The other requirements above are much more important. A 515 LL catcher will get you further faster in '19 than a 550 2xWOH OF.
By the end of April (or earlier) your keepers will become useless. The resources to level them and increase skills are better spent elsewhere (especially Gold level and beyond) and that you are getting "close enough"/equal/better new players. You will then completely remove keepers from your lineup where they will sit, unused, for a few more months until GLU raises the "keeper factor" some time during the summer at which point you bring them back into the lineup for nostalgia....maybe.
I went gold in '19 a couple of days ago. Currently, my entire lineup is G5-G10. My keepers (Boggs & Lowrie - both G1) are on the bench and are a few mystery boxes from becoming 'inactive'. They helped me cycle WOH in silver but should have not problems doing it again Monday in gold with only new players, as others have already done. It'll cost me 7,000 BXP to increase 1x keeper from G1-G2. That's more XP than it takes to get a "new" player from B1-G1!
Don't get me wrong, keepers are incredibly useful and are a huge bonus initially. I couldn't have leveled up so quickly without them! But this is a game and GLU is a business. They are our crack dealers and gave us something free in order to get us hooked on a new product. Despite what we want to believe, the free stuff will only take us so far before it'll start costing you. Use keepers for what they really are...a chance to start a new game w/out being entirely screwed with crappy players initially. Then move on and forget about them and enjoy all the new players and features that you'll get in game.
YMMV. This is just my humble $0.02....
Cheers
PS: I don't regret taking Boggs at all. Lowrie has been OK but mainly because he's a switch hitter. Should've taken my lower ranked Baez w/LL skills. Would have been better.
PPS: My keeper starter (Greinke @G1) is now 5th in the rotation.
Here's what you want in a keeper:
- 2x infielders (preferably C, 1st or SS). Don't take an OF! They are a dime a dozen.
- 2x skills where at least 1 is not game specific (i.e. no 2x WOH/CVC). WOH rewards aren't the same this early in the season. You get a whopping 750 BXP for completing level 4! That doesn't get you far. If you only concentrate on WOH, don't expect to have a good team anytime soon. note: you will probably never level a keeper's skills past 3 due to the cost
- You want the players with the highest Hit and/or Power. You don't need a balanced player and speed is useless. I'd rather a batter hit it out of the infield or over the fence than beat out a double play.
- Any 500+ player will do. The other requirements above are much more important. A 515 LL catcher will get you further faster in '19 than a 550 2xWOH OF.
By the end of April (or earlier) your keepers will become useless. The resources to level them and increase skills are better spent elsewhere (especially Gold level and beyond) and that you are getting "close enough"/equal/better new players. You will then completely remove keepers from your lineup where they will sit, unused, for a few more months until GLU raises the "keeper factor" some time during the summer at which point you bring them back into the lineup for nostalgia....maybe.
I went gold in '19 a couple of days ago. Currently, my entire lineup is G5-G10. My keepers (Boggs & Lowrie - both G1) are on the bench and are a few mystery boxes from becoming 'inactive'. They helped me cycle WOH in silver but should have not problems doing it again Monday in gold with only new players, as others have already done. It'll cost me 7,000 BXP to increase 1x keeper from G1-G2. That's more XP than it takes to get a "new" player from B1-G1!
Don't get me wrong, keepers are incredibly useful and are a huge bonus initially. I couldn't have leveled up so quickly without them! But this is a game and GLU is a business. They are our crack dealers and gave us something free in order to get us hooked on a new product. Despite what we want to believe, the free stuff will only take us so far before it'll start costing you. Use keepers for what they really are...a chance to start a new game w/out being entirely screwed with crappy players initially. Then move on and forget about them and enjoy all the new players and features that you'll get in game.
YMMV. This is just my humble $0.02....
Cheers
PS: I don't regret taking Boggs at all. Lowrie has been OK but mainly because he's a switch hitter. Should've taken my lower ranked Baez w/LL skills. Would have been better.
PPS: My keeper starter (Greinke @G1) is now 5th in the rotation.
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Can't go wrong with either of the other two. I'd probably go with Posey simply because he's a catcher. Baez's is great but Posey could stay in your lineup for longer simply because of his position. I'd say the same if their pts were reversed. Good catchers are few and far between.
Edit: @bigvivec, I could have sworn you actually listed the players in question in your initial post. lol
Thanks
CaptJack....from your experience, which would be better? In keeping with your indies recommendation and with two skills not rooted in an event (Green and Ichrio DQed on two counts), between Kruk, Boggs and Hoz?
....and if one skill is enough to get it done then why not this guy?
I went gold because it's nice and shiny!
It's also a bit of an ego boost while I watch all you Americans struggle for the first weeks before catching up.LOL
That being said, I disagree with some of your comments in there.
1) this early in the season and already in gold? No wonder you are already struggling for resources for the keeper or anyone else.
2) keepers are expensive? Yes. Now i would encourage you to keep a list of the resources you have been using to level up players to silver 10 or gold 10 (not the keepers) just to replace them 2 weeks later with a new player with a bit better numbers, then replace them again 2-3 weeks later with a new one. By the time 2 month have passed, and the factor goes up, your keeper is same or probably better than whatever position player. At that point make a sum of the resources you have spent in those two months replacing and leveling up and replacing players. I’m sure that number is way higher than keeper cost.
So go for your highest max guys with best skills that play infield positions. I kept 550 mays and 500 yelich. My mays is still very good and still a top player on my roster.
Yelich is my best lefty still, but not being so successful as he is only average 300 max.
As far as levelling, I actually didn't do it as flippantly as I implied. Before going silver, I saved enough XP to ensure that I could instantly cap almost all my every day players (including keepers) and most of my pitchers. Those that weren't capped, I made sure I could still bring them up a couple of levels. That kept me competitive and was fairly easy to do considering the low xp it took. I learned from my mistakes in '18.
I was going to do the same for the jump to gold. I got to the point of having enough XP (100k) to get my batting keepers to ~G6/7 and that's it, or move the rest of the team to ~G5+. Decided to take a chance and it worked out. I was still competitive and was fortunate to be in some of the top clubs to help quickly replenish. I was surprised at how much I wasn't needing the keepers anymore. That's why I wrote what I did. Others will have different experiences.
– The Great Houmy
Providing he delivers tomorrow he's coming with me.....
Unless of course he wins me something juicy in the WOH box.......
Damn it..... lol!!
Well before the all star break, most of us will find the luxury tax on keepers too high for our market. New players will start popping up and become just as competitive as the veterans allowing us to use cheaper, fresher faces with a younger, more vibrant energy in the clubhouse.
However, some GMs won't let go of the past and will pay whatever it takes to hold on to the 'glory days'.
End of story.
The LL & RR of Edgar and Davis are complementary and definitely a bonus over the other two. IMHO they'd be worth carrying over considering your alternatives, despite my previous comment about positions.
My thing is over the course of '18, I probably leveled up like 70 players I just trashed eventually (all that gold, evo, exp and cash basically wasted minus some minuscule xp refund). Assuming I pour the resources of 15 players (3x5) into my Keepers, they should remain in my lineup all year. That actually seems worthwhile. The upfront cost can scare people away, but what use is even leveling the players you have right now to Gold considering all your players will get trashed during the next wave of players with slightly higher caps? I plan on staying in Bronze a while before jumping to Silver and spending probably a few months in Silver before jumping to Gold. I see little value in jumping to Gold too fast and this year I'm still in Gold because I see no value in being in Platinum or Diamond at all.
I plan on bringing OF Shawn Green, DH Paul Molitor and Tom Seaver over with me (barring a last minute WOH miracle). At the VERY least, Green and Molitor on my bench are WOH aces and Seaver should always be in my rotation if not my ace. Why wouldn't I pay 5x to have them all year? They also ONLY require Blue XP, so I can save on spending Prime and Legend XP on three whole player slots. To me, they seem almost like ATG's with blue xp. My current lineup is basically all Prime and Legends anyway.
I guess it all depends on how and when Glu intends on implementing the level increases. Maybe some are making too big a deal about Keepers. That's a fair argument. But to me, the difference between a 540 Keeper and a 510 Keeper is huge too, and would make a huge difference in value for all of next year.