Seeing a bit of everything regarding keepers for a new season, but not addressing whether it would be wise to keep a pitcher over a hitter as one of your selections. Any thoughts?
Or 2 hitters and 2 pitchers 😁 @ROWDYONES it depends on how you play. If you're diamond, two keeper pitchers could very well play for you all year whereas your keeper bats could end up riding the pine for a lot of the season (they also have their value and could stay in your lineup all season, but think of how often you level new bats vs new arms).
"It's amazing how much work you can put in without gangly-ass legs in the way" - Sir Tdub71
Aren’t the 4 players for vip only and non-vip only get 3? If he’s not a vip then he doesn’t really have to worry about that decision. It would be 2 hitters and 1 pitcher. Then the decision becomes starter or closer.
Aren’t the 4 players for vip only and non-vip only get 3? If he’s not a vip then he doesn’t really have to worry about that decision. It would be 2 hitters and 1 pitcher. Then the decision becomes starter or closer.
Yeah you're probably right, I constantly forget about the VIP factor. Bigger impact - starter. Longevity - closer.
"It's amazing how much work you can put in without gangly-ass legs in the way" - Sir Tdub71
Everyone’s situation is different, but I’d advise on waiting to see what the moments will look like next year(the base ones) before committing to keepers. In general, I’d never advise taking a reliever over a starter, but whatever is fun is always the right choice.
Everyone’s situation is different, but I’d advise on waiting to see what the moments will look like next year(the base ones) before committing to keepers. In general, I’d never advise taking a reliever over a starter, but whatever is fun is always the right choice.
Definitely depends on how someone plays, the main reason I like to lean towards a reliever is 1. I'll level starters over relievers all day, and 2. they'll be used heavily earlier in the game to come in and save the day when the weakling bxp arms are getting wrecked.
My weakest SP right now is a 540 with skills capped at 30 each, and my weakest SR is a 500 with skills capped at 30 each. As it stands, 540x1.3x1.3= 912, 500x1.3x1.3= 845. 570 keeper Whitey Ford on my inactives? 570x1.2x1.2= 820 aka weaker than a 500 ovr with skills at 30.
In other words, a keeper reliever would still be weaker than my weakest reliever currently- but it would be a much closer race than it is with my SP's 🤷
"It's amazing how much work you can put in without gangly-ass legs in the way" - Sir Tdub71
I took a reliever as an experiment and I was not happy with my decision and I won’t do it again.
Yeah I did the same, helped me out early on but as I got better starting pitching my keeper reliever became more and more obsolete to now my bullpen rarely ever gets used. A keeper starter imo is the way to go.
Right, my bullpen is rarely used now. In fact, if my bullpen pitchers get in the game now, I’m probably losing to a team that drastically overmatched me. Even BXP pitchers early on do fine if you are getting the top ones. Then the POTM can carry you for a while. Plus with ice wraps, you can also use your keeper to start when you need him. And if he’s good enough to throw a CG, you don’t need the bullpen. That’s how I’ve approached it the past few years.
Everyone’s situation is different, but I’d advise on waiting to see what the moments will look like next year(the base ones) before committing to keepers. In general, I’d never advise taking a reliever over a starter, but whatever is fun is always the right choice.
Definitely depends on how someone plays, the main reason I like to lean towards a reliever is 1. I'll level starters over relievers all day, and 2. they'll be used heavily earlier in the game to come in and save the day when the weakling bxp arms are getting wrecked.
My weakest SP right now is a 540 with skills capped at 30 each, and my weakest SR is a 500 with skills capped at 30 each. As it stands, 540x1.3x1.3= 912, 500x1.3x1.3= 845. 570 keeper Whitey Ford on my inactives? 570x1.2x1.2= 820 aka weaker than a 500 ovr with skills at 30.
In other words, a keeper reliever would still be weaker than my weakest reliever currently- but it would be a much closer race than it is with my SP's 🤷
I usually don’t rely on keepers beyond the first few months so I make my decisions based on what I think I’ll need early on.
I will say that Davey Johnson lasted well into the year for me. But skills like H/H or B/O don’t age well…especially at the beginning of the new season
Brought over a starter the last 2 years and never leveled him. It just always felt like I got more bang for my xp by focusing on hitting early. Maybe I’ll try in 2022.
I'm confused by what you mean by 5.7 and 5.8. You mean the round and level?
Brought over a starter the last 2 years and never leveled him. It just always felt like I got more bang for my xp by focusing on hitting early. Maybe I’ll try in 2022.
This a great example of how different play styles will mean different priorities. If you plan on staying/chilling in lower tiers for awhile, I'd def prioritize as many bats as possible.
What I've learned from keepers is the difference between 1 to the other is extremely minimal. Sure maybe one guy has a slightly higher hit rating or slightly higher stuff rating then someone else but at the end of the day thats gonna have minimal impact.
If I can say two things one strategic and one non strategic it would be: -Take hitters who skills translate to the mode you like best (CVC/EB, Season mode, Walk off, home run battle) -Take guys that you just like using, like as players or just have fun with in general. Like I said most of these guys are gonna be roughly the same, so why not just choose players you like
Everyone’s situation is different, but I’d advise on waiting to see what the moments will look like next year(the base ones) before committing to keepers. In general, I’d never advise taking a reliever over a starter, but whatever is fun is always the right choice.
Definitely depends on how someone plays, the main reason I like to lean towards a reliever is 1. I'll level starters over relievers all day, and 2. they'll be used heavily earlier in the game to come in and save the day when the weakling bxp arms are getting wrecked.
My weakest SP right now is a 540 with skills capped at 30 each, and my weakest SR is a 500 with skills capped at 30 each. As it stands, 540x1.3x1.3= 912, 500x1.3x1.3= 845. 570 keeper Whitey Ford on my inactives? 570x1.2x1.2= 820 aka weaker than a 500 ovr with skills at 30.
In other words, a keeper reliever would still be weaker than my weakest reliever currently- but it would be a much closer race than it is with my SP's 🤷
I usually don’t rely on keepers beyond the first few months so I make my decisions based on what I think I’ll need early on.
Probably the best way to go.
"It's amazing how much work you can put in without gangly-ass legs in the way" - Sir Tdub71
I tend to base my decision on the positions that are harder to fill. 2b, SS and catcher are usually my picks. You can use the filters in the team collections to help decide which positions had the fewest top tier player released. But I’m not going to take a player from those positions if he’s not a top tier guy.
I tend to base my decision on the positions that are harder to fill. 2b, SS and catcher are usually my picks. You can use the filters in the team collections to help decide which positions had the fewest top tier player released. But I’m not going to take a player from those positions if he’s not a top tier guy.
Got to say I also followed this strategy, made sense. Of course it always backfired! If I brought a SS then I would certainly pull great SS like it was a fire sale! Didn’t matter what position it was, if I brought em I’m pullin em. 🤷🏻♂️🤣
I'm confused by what you mean by 5.7 and 5.8. You mean the round and level?
I tend to base my decision on the positions that are harder to fill. 2b, SS and catcher are usually my picks. You can use the filters in the team collections to help decide which positions had the fewest top tier player released. But I’m not going to take a player from those positions if he’s not a top tier guy.
Got to say I also followed this strategy, made sense. Of course it always backfired! If I brought a SS then I would certainly pull great SS like it was a fire sale! Didn’t matter what position it was, if I brought em I’m pullin em. 🤷🏻♂️🤣
Same here brought over a SS and made ML a 2nd baseman and bam all year pulling SS and second basemen. Although I did pull Phillips a little while back he actually has planted ML to WoH duties only, for now. I couldn't pass up the switch hitting 2x RoB. Both of my keepers at third (ATG Chipper) and short (ATG Cal) are still in my lineup being 30 points off the curve not any reason to pull them unless it's for a new ATG.
I took a reliever this year (610 Wagner) and it's worked out well for me the way that I play. My strategy early in the year is get my team to the bare minimum to advance to diamond while accumulating resources that I can maximize when I buy FP and do my jump weekend to diamond. Wagner was so good early on (especially his arm rating) that I could stick him at RP1 and be able to squeak by with four weak starters (keeper ace) and only one other leveled reliever. As the year has progressed, Wagner has never left my bullpen and has allowed me to focus my LXP on bats that are just more fun to use. I don't spend a ton (around $200 this year) so I have to be selective with the legends I level.
Two other things that I saw mentioned: 1. No way I'm locking in keepers until we know the base team moments. As an example, if Babe gets RISP again in 22', he's not even in the keeper conversation for me, but if he gets first pitch he's a lock. 2. I put a lot of thought into keepers, but at the end of the year if it's a max rated guy, the only way it can go poorly is if they have terrible skills and/or moments (like 2 outs). Otherwise it's all about the same. 2a. ATG Goose Gossage is the only exception to this from 2020. As a long reliever he essentially allowed you to take two elite relievers into 21' for the price of one (still sad I wasn't able to pull him).
Keep in mind that whatever your favorite event happens to be(EB is my favorite), early in the game, WoH pays the bills. It also remains to be seen how matchups are determined in '22. Usually, at the beginning, matchups get brutal for those that race to diamond. Then, things get adjusted and become more 'reasonable.'
Keep in mind that whatever your favorite event happens to be(EB is my favorite), early in the game, WoH pays the bills. It also remains to be seen how matchups are determined in '22. Usually, at the beginning, matchups get brutal for those that race to diamond. Then, things get adjusted and become more 'reasonable.'
@DFBB would you value three keeper bats over two pitchers earlier in the year for a diamond push?
"It's amazing how much work you can put in without gangly-ass legs in the way" - Sir Tdub71
Keep in mind that whatever your favorite event happens to be(EB is my favorite), early in the game, WoH pays the bills. It also remains to be seen how matchups are determined in '22. Usually, at the beginning, matchups get brutal for those that race to diamond. Then, things get adjusted and become more 'reasonable.'
@DFBB would you value three keeper bats over two pitchers earlier in the year for a diamond push?
Personally, I would because I’d grind WoH as my primary source of xp. I also think, early in the year, it’s easier to get ‘serviceable’ pitchers than it is to get great bats.
Keep in mind that whatever your favorite event happens to be(EB is my favorite), early in the game, WoH pays the bills. It also remains to be seen how matchups are determined in '22. Usually, at the beginning, matchups get brutal for those that race to diamond. Then, things get adjusted and become more 'reasonable.'
@DFBB would you value three keeper bats over two pitchers earlier in the year for a diamond push?
Personally, I would because I’d grind WoH as my primary source of xp. I also think, early in the year, it’s easier to get ‘serviceable’ pitchers than it is to get great bats.
That would also build up bonus games, cash, and ice wraps (I think, which would help wrap a keeper ace when needed). Makes a lot of sense, I guess I just have a thing for arms. Especially that Mariano Rivera fella
"It's amazing how much work you can put in without gangly-ass legs in the way" - Sir Tdub71
I haven’t been diamond in a couple of years of years but when when I had Mo as an ATG it really didn’t matter because my rotation was stacked and he barely pitched. I’ll take a starter every time as a keeper now but a reliever wasn’t a horrible decision either
This is from my reliever Wagner. He’s off my roster now, but he did see a lot of action in the first bit. I don’t have a favorite game mode, but I’ll be sticking with 2 bats, 2 pitchers for 22’. WOH is 100% my least favorite game. Another thing to consider is if they rejuvenate PP. Fishful thinking 🐟
This is from my reliever Wagner. He’s off my roster now, but he did see a lot of action in the first bit. I don’t have a favorite game mode, but I’ll be sticking with 2 bats, 2 pitchers for 22’. WOH is 100% my least favorite game. Another thing to consider is if they rejuvenate PP. Fishful thinking 🐟
yeah WOH and playoff pitch are not for me. earlier in the year its pretty unavoidable unfortunately, unless you stay in the silver realms.
"It's amazing how much work you can put in without gangly-ass legs in the way" - Sir Tdub71
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My weakest SP right now is a 540 with skills capped at 30 each, and my weakest SR is a 500 with skills capped at 30 each. As it stands, 540x1.3x1.3= 912, 500x1.3x1.3= 845. 570 keeper Whitey Ford on my inactives? 570x1.2x1.2= 820 aka weaker than a 500 ovr with skills at 30.
In other words, a keeper reliever would still be weaker than my weakest reliever currently- but it would be a much closer race than it is with my SP's 🤷
If I can say two things one strategic and one non strategic it would be:
-Take hitters who skills translate to the mode you like best (CVC/EB, Season mode, Walk off, home run battle)
-Take guys that you just like using, like as players or just have fun with in general. Like I said most of these guys are gonna be roughly the same, so why not just choose players you like
Hope that helps
Two other things that I saw mentioned:
1. No way I'm locking in keepers until we know the base team moments. As an example, if Babe gets RISP again in 22', he's not even in the keeper conversation for me, but if he gets first pitch he's a lock.
2. I put a lot of thought into keepers, but at the end of the year if it's a max rated guy, the only way it can go poorly is if they have terrible skills and/or moments (like 2 outs). Otherwise it's all about the same.
2a. ATG Goose Gossage is the only exception to this from 2020. As a long reliever he essentially allowed you to take two elite relievers into 21' for the price of one (still sad I wasn't able to pull him).
yeah WOH and playoff pitch are not for me. earlier in the year its pretty unavoidable unfortunately, unless you stay in the silver realms.