Should We Use GOLD or DIAMONDS for UPGRADES?

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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    TIER 25 has brought with it the largest cost structure to date, but it has also supplemented those costs with an enormous number of diamonds available and waiting to be mined.

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    TIER 25: "YANKEE" Stats Increased Cost: 228.90M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 228.90M Diamonds - 350 GOLD
    Column 2: 257.50M Diamonds - 450 GOLD
    Column 3: 286.10M Diamonds - 550 GOLD
    Column 4: 314.40M Diamonds - 650 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 1,086.90M Diamonds - 2,000 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 257.50M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 286.10M Diamonds - 550 GOLD
    Column 3: 314.40M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 343.40M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 1,201.40M Diamonds - 2,410 GOLD

    Total TIER 25: 4,920.00M Diamonds - 9,230 GOLD
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    The current "baseline" diamonds available via PvP battle raided vaults is 6.3M. Given the record cost for base upgrades, this will require 780.95 PvP Victories just to completely upgrade the defense base ...
    ... 19,523.81 AP.

    With close to 5,000 AP required per Global Event for the base and another roughly 2,000 AP for weapons upgrades, the emerging trend is quite alarming. My estimate is that within the next 2-3 tiers, players will be required to qualify for the GOLD LEAGUE in order to collect enough diamonds during PvP Events to perform upgrades.

    Since it would still take 400 GOLD for GL qualification even if you played for 96 straight hours, a player might opt to simply use GOLD for upgrades right from the start and save a huge amount in time and effort; the average (honest) player would drop dead, so a 2,000 GOLD BARS expense is more realistic.
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    Ok ... so there's no doubt that "Energy" is the key to success.

    For example I've calculated that 2,000 GOLD will fully upgrade the BASE ECONOMY ...
    ... but can also buy 100 FULL ENERGY or 300 PvP Battles.

    That translates into roughly 2,000,000,000 Diamonds @ TIER 25 so it's obvious to me that "fighting" is still cheaper than "buying" base upgrades (this is NOT the case for weapons).

    At least, for now. :)

    If base upgrade prices continue to rise, soon it will become a burden just to fight the battles we need and THAT'S the GOTCHA.

    When do upgrades become such a burden that players simply can no longer "enjoy" playing the game?

    Statistics suggest that threshold will be crossed by late Summer. :cool: for many, it already has.

    Now everyone knows how The SCORPION feels about BASE Upgrades ...
    ... when it becomes so burdensome that your "enjoyment" starts to suffer ... stop upgrading the base; SIMPLE.
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    For TIER 25 I have raised the "baseline" raided vault size to 6.5M (up from 6.3M) with quite a number nearing the 7.0M level. If vault sizes continue to increase for the duration of the battle cycle, there may be relief on the TIER 26 horizon.

    The key will be TIER 26 upgrade costs relative to raided vault size; it does look promising however.

    I thought this was worth noting since it IS Good News. :cool:
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    amsoft2000 wrote: »
    For TIER 25 I have raised the "baseline" raided vault size to 6.5M (up from 6.3M) with quite a number nearing the 7.0M level. If vault sizes continue to increase for the duration of the battle cycle, there may be relief on the TIER 26 horizon.

    The key will be TIER 26 upgrade costs relative to raided vault size; it does look promising however.

    I thought this was worth noting since it IS Good News. :cool:

    Well yesterday's optimism was short lived. Here is an early projection (**) of TIER 26 Upgrade Costs since GLU has released the next DEFENSE TIER less than 2 weeks after the TIER 25 Battle Cycle started.

    I'll update these with actual costs as they are encountered or reported.

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    TIER 26: "ZULU" Stats Increased Cost: 343.40M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 343.40M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 386.30M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 429.20M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 472.20M Diamonds - 720 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 1,631.10M Diamonds - 2,340 GOLD (Actual)

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 386.30M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 429.20M Diamonds - 550 GOLD
    Column 3: 472.20M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 515.10M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 1,902.80M Diamonds - 2,410 GOLD (Actual)

    Total TIER 26: 7,339.50M Diamonds - 9,570 GOLD (Actual)
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    Now these are pretty conservative estimates but considering that TIER 25 required 5,000,000,000 diamonds and those players who are current, just completed those upgrades within the last week ...

    12,000,000,000 diamonds in less than a month? I think GLU just handed us our walking papers agents.

    SPECIAL NOTE: after months of remaining "flat", the GOLD cost for performing base upgrades has risen approximately 20%.

    Good Luck !!! :cool:
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  • try_againtry_again Senior Member Registered Users 1,302 Posts
    7 Billion Diamonds, Push the button, Dr. Evil! <finger in cheek>
  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    **********
    TIER 26: "ZULU" Stats Increased Cost: 343.40M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 343.40M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 386.30M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 429.20M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 472.20M Diamonds - 720 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 1,631.10M Diamonds - 2,340 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 386.30M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 429.20M Diamonds - 550 GOLD
    Column 3: 472.20M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 515.10M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 1,902.80M Diamonds - 2,410 GOLD

    Total TIER 26: 7,339.50M Diamonds - 9,570 GOLD
    **********

    7.4 BILLION Diamonds to upgrade TIER 26 and the early projection for TIER 27 takes us well over 10,000,000,000 Diamonds.

    For anyone who is actually interested; if you're current on your base upgrades, you mined ...
    ... 12,259,500,000 Diamonds in the Month of July (so far).

    The current established "baseline" for raided vault size is 9.5M Diamonds.
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 27: "AKPHA-BRAVO" Stats Increased Cost: 515.10M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 515.10M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 579.50M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 643.90M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 708.30M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 2,446.80M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD (Actual)

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 579.50M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 643.90M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 708.30M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 772.70M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 2,704.40M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD (Actual)

    Total TIER 27: 10,560.00M Diamonds - 9,620 GOLD (Actual)
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    This represents a 50% increase (actual) over TIER 26 just 2-weeks ago and has more than doubled the upgrade costs of TIER 25 only a month ago. This is totally misleading however since we upgraded the base 2X during the month of July, so costs have effectively quadrupled in just one month ...
    ... but it "feels" like costs have increased by a factor of five (5X) because payouts have been lacking.

    Translation: Roughly 800 PvP Victories OR 20,000 AP and get it done in 2-weeks @ 14M per vault.

    4,920.00M Diamonds (June 2016) vs. 17,889.50M Diamonds (July 2016); a 379% increase. :(

    On the other hand, payouts have only doubled 7.0M (June) vs. 14.0M (July); a 100% increase. :(:( even this is an exaggeration since for 1/2 of July you only received 10.5M; so effectively a 75% increase.

    The Bottom Line: 379% increase in costs; 75% increase in payouts.

    In my book, that's a losing proposition no matter how you try to justify it. :(:(:(
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    **********
    TIER 28: "ALPHA-CHARLIE" Stats Increased Cost: 515.10M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 772.70M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 869.30M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 965.90M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 1,060.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 3,657.90M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 869.30M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 965.90M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 1,060.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 1,160.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 4,055.20M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 28: 15,823.50M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
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    These are the actual TIER 28 upgrade costs.

    Upgrade Cost Increases vs. Raided Vault Payouts are @ parity for the 1st time in over a year ...
    ... this represents a 50% increase over TIER 27. GOLD prices remain flat as well.

    The "baseline" (average) raided vault size stands @ 21.0M Diamonds; any vault less than 20.0M should be bypassed.

    The BOTTOM LINE: upgrades for TIER 28 are no more expensive (in time and effort) than TIER 27.
    (provided you have the proper PRIMARY weapons fully upgraded).

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 29: "ALPHA-DELTA" Stats Increased Cost: 1,160.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 1,160.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 1,300.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 1,450.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 1,590.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 5,500.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 1,300.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 1,450.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 1,590.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 1,740.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 6,080.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 29: 24,900.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    25,000,000,000 Diamonds? Enough said ... "Drop Dead" has arrived.

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    Bradley is otherwise indisposed so ...

    The cost to INCREASE the TIER 30 STATS: 1.74 Billion Diamonds OR 655 GOLD.

    Vaults appear to be up about 15-20%; no noticeable increase in battle difficulty ... yet :cool:

    I'll post a complete "projected costs" breakdown once I increase the stats ...
    ... I still have a weapon to acquire. :)

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 30: "ALPHA-ECHO" Stats Increased Cost: 1,740.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 1,740.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 1,960.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 2,170.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 2,390.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 8,260.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 1,960.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 2,170.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 2,390.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 2,610.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 9,130.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 30: 37,390.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    A 51% increase over the TIER 29 Defense Base upgrade costs. :cool:

    The TIER 30 "baseline" is 44.39M Diamonds (for now); COSTS/PAYOUTS=1 (a wash). :)

    The TIER 30 "baseline" has been increased to 48.5M Diamonds.

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    Just to be perfectly clear on this issue ...

    If you upgrade your primary weapons to 30.5, you can expect some tougher battles as a result ...
    ... unless you plan on paying the 37.4 Billion diamonds to upgrade defense base "ALPHA-ECHO", my advice is to steer clear of powerful SR Primary weapons.

    The SNIPER/TESLA combination is quite safe however ... so you must decide whether you want "battle balance" between SR and LR PvP or you're willing to settle for a one-sided gaming experience in order to raid the largest vaults possible.

    Again ... if you're not planning to upgrade your base, then you won't require the diamonds, right?

    Personally, my plan is to maximize my LR PvP vault payouts and use SR PvP just for "fun" and to break up the monotony; this was the same strategy I used @ TIER 29.

    Your only remaining (GLU induced) option is to pay the 7,000 GOLD for a 31.x ASSAULT/HEAVY.

    To sum up ... one (1) Level above OR below the prevailing TIER is prescribed. Weapons coincident with the prevailing TIER will most likely require additional equipment to be effective.

    There is also a "side effect" to buying into the VIP Experience. You get a single weapon for 7,000 GOLD and for another 2,000 GOLD you can fully upgrade defense base "ALPHA-ECHO"; a rather strange set of circumstances that only the "high rollers" need be concerned with. :cool:

    I would estimate that 850-900 PvP Victories are now required to upgrade the base using diamonds ...
    ... personally I simply DO NOT have the time to fight that many battles, so I've finally hit "The Wall".
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  • ZeusismeZeusisme Junior Member Registered Users 77 Posts
    The only high power Tesla is a smooth sail when you pvp with high powered base.

    Even if owned 30.5 Assault you will still needs tons of medkits and grenades for you to win Short Range (high level )

    For one of a better word if you owned a short ranged base and it is high level you can safely see in your battle log defence won phrase hooorahhhh
  • Guestkh1981Guestkh1981 Experienced Member Registered Users 252 Posts
    Everyone seems to be getting different reasons for stoping to play the game for me its just pure frustration with the setup. Getting no gold or parts in league events isnt helping. Content updates come right at the league end time which destroy ant chance of getting a suitable rank. League events are purelly based on luck where 15 to 20 players fight for a single rank which is based on god knows what logic. Havent seen video for gold or free energy in minths. Just become too frystrating to spend hours in the game and not get what u were focusing all ur energy on. Customer service doesnt help they have there scripted responses everytime. So my friends the end is near for most players but the reasons might b different in esch case.
  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    You know what I've been saying all along?

    You see it's NOT the cost of the upgrades at all since GLU sometimes balances this out with payouts
    (2 TIERS running lately) ...
    ... NOR is it the number of PvP Victories required to acquire the diamonds needed to pay our "rent" ...

    ... it's simply that in every measureable way you look at it, we're expending all of our time and effort, spending 10s of Billions of diamonds on something that offers NOTHING in return at the higher tiers ... absolutely NOTHING AT ALL.

    It all really boils down to, "What do you enjoy more?" ...

    ... do you enjoy playing the game because of the fast paced action and shooting the place to pieces?
    ... do you enjoy collecting vast amounts of pseudo-gems in a futile attempt to nail down a moving target that's running away from you faster and faster every time you give chase?
    ... or BOTH ... LMAO

    To be clear, I am NOT going to stop "playing" CKS ... it's way too much fun and it helps pass the time. What I am going to stop doing is upgrading the DEFENSE BASE because THAT is taking too much of my allotted "gaming time".

    There are weapons to upgrade and the drone has become a force to be dealt with (you had better get on THAT bandwagon before it's too late) ... these offer tangible benefits.

    Now if I have nothing else to spend my diamonds on ... well I'm NOT going to just waste 'em. :)

    Simply put ... it's supposed to be a source of enjoyment, a time to forget the worries of the world and just "play".

    I am definitely NOT looking for a second job. :cool: (figuratively speaking).
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    I just wanted to add a footnote regarding TIER 30 Defense Base Upgrades.

    Once the TIER 30 "baseline" was raised to 48.5M Diamonds 6 days ago (see above http://ggnbb.glu.com/showthread.php?169154-Should-We-Use-GOLD-or-DIAMONDS-for-UPGRADES&p=501946&viewfull=1#post501946) ... I was able to move from 25% (Maximum Base Economy) on the defense base to 100% with a moderate amount of effort.

    I also wanted to remind players that the debate "Should We Use GOLD or DIAMONDS" is alive and well, if you're trying to determine the most cost effective means for applying upgrades.

    For example, we all know that the stronger your weapons, the more costly the upgrades and when your weapons are @ parity with the prevailing tier, they must be upgraded to remain effective in battle. The relative cost of weapons upgrades may be overlooked by many ...
    ... in fact, players who have elected to "drop back" from base upgrades, face a different dilemma.

    The 31.0 SNIPER, which is absolutely essential to remain competitive @ TIER 31 (Long Range PvP), has a top row / 1st column Diamonds vs. GOLD cost that is quite expensive:

    511.34M DIAMONDS versus 60 GOLD

    To put that in perspective, 60 GOLD is the equivalent of 3 x FULL ENERGY (9 PvP Battles). If a player were to opt for paying the price of this upgrade using GOLD ...
    ... you would effectively receive a "discounted price" of 74.84M Diamonds using the "baseline" payout of 48.5M Diamonds @ TIER 30, as a reference point.

    Multiply the cost by a factor of 4x for a TESLA and/or HEAVY Weapon.

    For the cost conscious (those on a tight budget), I feel your pain since using GOLD in this instance is the cheapest way to go. If you use DIAMONDS, the length of time to fully upgrade your weapons would take so long using FREE Energy alone, that it would defeat the purpose of upgrading the weapons at all ..
    ... then start over again from scratch in a few weeks.

    Your choices are all less than optimal unless you're willing to accept that more powerful weapons moving forward are cost prohibitive. Although acquiring these stronger weapons has always been desirable, the cost associated with owning them has now become a burden, not unlike upgrading the defense base ... but worse when you add this cost to that of the defense base.

    I truly wish I could offer an alternative in this regard, but there is none to offer ...
    ... other than delaying equipping these weapons until upgrading them becomes more affordable.

    Of course, the age old issue persists ...
    ... how long can you actually wait before weapon obsolescence sets in?

    If you remain at a "snapshotted" point in CKS time, the weapon itself will NEVER become obsolete BUT you will never progress past your current level in the game, which makes playing at all questionable.

    In a sense ... The Ultimate CKS Quandary. :(

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 31: "ALPHA-FOXTROT" Stats Increased Cost: 2,610.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 2,610.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 2,930.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 3,260.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 3,590.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 12,390.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 2,930.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 3,260.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 3,590.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 3,910.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 13,690.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 31: 56,070.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    A 49.59% increase over the TIER 30 Defense Base upgrade costs.

    The TIER 31 minimum payout: 66.6M Diamonds; Projected "baseline" is 75.0M Diamonds.

    Using these early projections, it will require 840 PvP Victories to fully upgrade "ALPHA-FOXTROT" ...
    ... while raiding the minimum TIER 31 vault payout of 66.6M (The Beast) Diamonds. :cool:

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 32: "ALPHA-GOLF" Stats Increased Cost: 3,910.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 3,910.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 4,400.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 4,890.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 5,380.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 18,580.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 1,300.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 4,890.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 5,380.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 5,870.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 17,440.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 32: 74,810.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    A 33.42% increase over the TIER 31 Defense Base upgrade costs.

    The TIER 32 minimum payout: 105.00M Diamonds; Projected "baseline" is 110.00M Diamonds.

    I have finalized the "ALPHA-GOLF" Upgrade Cost Projections and YES the cost increase over TIER 31 was a modest one of roughly 1/3 ...
    ... for the first time ever, Raided Vault Payouts have outpaced Defense Base Upgrade Costs. :cool:

    Now THAT'S the way it should be. Ooh Rah.

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 33: "ALPHA-HOTEL" Stats Increased Cost: 5,870.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 5,870.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 6,600.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 7,330.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 8,070.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 27,870.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 6,600.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 7,330.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 8,070.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 8,800.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 30,800M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 33: 126,140.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    A 68.61% increase over the TIER 32 Defense Base upgrade costs; in a word ... WOW

    The TIER 33 minimum payout: 155.00M Diamonds; Projected "baseline" is 160.00M Diamonds.

    This represents and translates into roughly 800 PvP Victories based on the current "baseline".

    The TIER 33 Upgrade Costs are final and that means that the TIER 32 "give back" was only temporary as upgrade costs are again outpacing payouts since vaults increased by only 45.45% ...
    ... if you look at both TIER 32 and TIER 33 together, then costs vs. payouts remains flat.

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 34: "ALPHA-INDIA" Stats Increased Cost: 8,800.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 8,800.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 9,900.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 11,000.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 12,100.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 41,800.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 9,900.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 11,000.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 12,100.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 13,200.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 46,200M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 34: 189,200.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    A 49.99% increase over the TIER 33 Defense Base upgrade costs ...
    ... by contrast, minimum payouts have increased by only 29.03%.

    The TIER 34 minimum payout: 200.00M Diamonds; Projected "baseline" is 205.00M Diamonds.

    This represents and translates into roughly 925 PvP Victories based on the current "baseline".

    We're roughly @ the halfway point of the TIER 34 Battle Cycle and raided vault payouts are now running between 240M-250M Diamonds on average using "stock weapons" acquired via Global/League Events (VIPs may experience slightly higher payouts) ...
    ... therefore, I am raising the "baseline" payout to 240M Diamonds.

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 35: "ALPHA-JULIETT" Stats Increased Cost: 5,870.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 13,200.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 14,850.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 16,500.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 18,150.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 62,700.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 14,850.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 16,500.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 18,150.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 19,800.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 69,300M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 35: 276,470.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
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  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 36: "ALPHA-KILO" Stats Increased Cost: 19,800.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 19,800.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 22,280.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 24,760.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 27,230.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 94,070.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 22,280.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 24,760.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 27,230.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 29,710.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 103,980M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 36: 425,810.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
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    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
    Complex Minds Require Challenging Games ... SCORPION
  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 37: "ALPHA-LIMA" Stats Increased Cost: 5,870.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 29,710.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 33,420.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 37,130.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 40,850.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 141,110.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 33,420.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 37,130.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 40,850.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 44,560.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 155,960M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 37: 614,860.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
    Complex Minds Require Challenging Games ... SCORPION
  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 38: "ALPHA-MIKE" Stats Increased Cost: 28,710.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 44,560.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 50,130.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 55,700.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 61,270.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 211,660.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 50,130.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 55,700.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 61,270.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 66,840.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 233,940M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    Total TIER 38: 942,190.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD
    **********

    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
    Complex Minds Require Challenging Games ... SCORPION
  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
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    TIER 39: "ALPHA-NOVEMBER" Stats Increased Cost: 28,710.00M Diamonds.
    BASE ECONOMY:
    Column 1: 66,840.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 75,190.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 83,550.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 91,900.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD

    Total Base Economy: 317,480.00M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD

    GUARD, SENTRY, HEALTH:
    Column 1: 75,190.00M Diamonds - 420 GOLD
    Column 2: 83,550.00M Diamonds - 540 GOLD
    Column 3: 91,900.00M Diamonds - 660 GOLD
    Column 4: 100,250.00M Diamonds - 780 GOLD **

    Total Guard, Sentry, Health (each): 350,890M Diamonds - 2,400 GOLD **

    Total TIER 39: 1,398,860.00M Diamonds - 9,600 GOLD **
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    Good Luck and Good Hunting !!!
    Complex Minds Require Challenging Games ... SCORPION
  • try_againtry_again Senior Member Registered Users 1,302 Posts
    Starting to get into the realm of national debt figures, just astronomical!

    I was thinking the other day with these new Heavy weapons, it won't be long before we see power ratings that end in Q!

    The mad developers at GLU are going to break the lever on their mechanical adding machine soon.
  • Agent7RockyAgent7Rocky Experienced Member Registered Users 292 Posts
    Not a new thing for them..
    What else can they do..
    Crazy glu...lol
    So Jao 
  • amsoft2000amsoft2000 Expert Member Registered Users 5,782 Posts
    try_again wrote: »
    Starting to get into the realm of national debt figures, just astronomical!

    I was thinking the other day with these new Heavy weapons, it won't be long before we see power ratings that end in Q!

    The mad developers at GLU are going to break the lever on their mechanical adding machine soon.

    1,000,000 x 1,000,000 = 1 TRILLION and that's when numbers of ANYTHING start to become "imaginary" for most of the world, so why should GLU be any different. LMAO

    This game needs a "reset" bad, but you cannot reset the veterans without affecting the newer players ... quite a conundrum for sure. We may be facing extinction. :(

    Even the most statistically savvy will start to look at all of this as being ridiculous. The software will soon "blow a gasket" if we continue along this course ... but I think the GLUTONS already realize this because we're talking potentially 64-bits (double-precision floating point) arithmetic.

    In fact the numbers become so large that it's only an approximation of a "real" number.

    What the future will bring is anyone's guess. :cool:

    Imagine that ... 1,000,000,000,000,000 Power Ratings on weapons ... we are now definitely venturing into the realm of the astronomical and it only took us 2 years to get there. :)

    Give or take ...
    Complex Minds Require Challenging Games ... SCORPION
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