kalinda, this is disgusting and unacceptable behavior. no one respects you or koko because you both give off racist vibes. like shay said racism isn’t just blatant slurs and hate crimes. ignoring issues and pushing them onto another thread won’t make things better. are you telling us we can’t call out how horrible you & koko’s moderation is? this is an obstruction of freedom of speech and so is the bogus “you can’t share messages from moderators” rule because it was created so the disgusting way koko speaks to people in dms could be covered up. you’re both horrible people. telling people they can’t speak on things that bother them is once again literally against the law. this is a kim kardashian forum. stop running it like you’re running a dictatorship. you take your job too seriously but simultaneously not seriously enough. we need new mods, y’all aren’t cutting it.
everything i just said falls under the freedom of speech, if you ban me for it, you’re obscuring it. 😐
Quoting this so the comment doesn’t magically get “removed” while mods try to obscure the truth
@KalindaKing Huh have you noticed how every single time you try to open a thread about (or address) this issue it backfires? Every single time, you either use words that come off as offensive or your intentions 'seem' bad.
It stopped looking like a coincidence or something done unintentionally a while back.
So far we've had: People being banned unfairly Irrational excuses given Been told to sit quiet and let racists prance around Racists staying on the forum freely People who are so unwilling to learn when someone tells them something is offensive towards their culture (and they even fight back cause common sense is turned off) Been told it's fine for people to do whatever with their dolls with no limits
I honestly don't know what else to say. We've given you solutions, suggestions, ideas, you name it and yet... At this point it's very obvious that you know if you want to ban racists (that's IF you care) (which you don't) you'll empty out the people who are kind of active and the forum will be a desert since others are rarely here (because of how harmful this forum has been) . Idk, seems to me that you've created the harmful ambiance by refusing to step in and do better.
thank you @eden_sunshine for explaining from your pov, i obviously can’t relate but i’m trying to understand and educate myself and while my opinions haven’t completely changed, i will definitely try to be more empathetic and open minded. and i’m sorry for disregarding or disrespecting your culture in anyway (nothing to do with this sys i just mean this conversation we’ve had)
I’d like to point out that this thread didn’t have any arguments in it and had a lot of like minded people expressing their opinions until someone came in with their different opinion by loling people’s comments and telling people to leave.
@KkhElena you’ve done nothing but insult and complain, i’m genuinely trying to understand why you seem to think fantasy world = reality. i’m trying to have a conversation and yes i’m frustrated so i’ve been slightly rude, but you’re equally adding fuel to the fire, i’m not trying to be microaggressive i’m not trying to disregard peoples opinions i just don’t understand anything you’re saying, yes the stuff you’ve mentioned have flown over my head because it’s all insults, i can’t have a conversation with you and the others that are joining in if all you’re going to do is insult me. lmao/lol/dude/lmfao are just things that i use in the way i type nothing is funny in this situation, i apologise and i’ll try not to use them
I’d like to point out that this thread didn’t have any arguments in it and had a lot of like minded people expressing their opinions until someone came in with their different opinion by loling people’s comments and telling people to leave.
and i’d just like to point out that i was offering a solution but it seems as if multiple people were offended by my solution and changed it to fit their narratives
“If you are not happy with moderation, you still need to follow the forum rules and respect each other. ”
So essentially we have to suck it up and deal with insufficient moderation even when we voice our concerns and provide clear instructions on what would be more appropriate and appreciated in the forum?
@KkhElena you’ve done nothing but insult and complain, i’m genuinely trying to understand why you seem to think fantasy world = reality. i’m trying to have a conversation and yes i’m frustrated so i’ve been slightly rude, but you’re equally adding fuel to the fire, i’m not trying to be microaggressive i’m not trying to disregard peoples opinions i just don’t understand anything you’re saying, yes the stuff you’ve mentioned have flown over my head because it’s all insults, i can’t have a conversation with you and the others that are joining in if all you’re going to do is insult me. lmao/lol/dude/lmfao are just things that i use in the way i type nothing is funny in this situation, i apologise and i’ll try not to use those terms
If you want to learn more about microaggressions you should google it. It's no one else's job to explain basic concepts about racism to you.
“If you are not happy with moderation, you still need to follow the forum rules and respect each other. ”
So essentially we have to suck it up and deal with insufficient moderation even when we voice our concerns and provide clear instructions on what would be more appropriate and appreciated in the forum?
The thing is leaving shouldn’t be the solution. This is a bit of a bigger situation, but here’s my analogy. Say there’s a problematic politician in your area and you don’t like their attitude on important issues such as this. The majority of people wouldn’t just move house or away from that area, they’d speak out against it. It’s the same here. Ignoring these issues or leaving a platform that people enjoy because of problematic people and moderation that is not up to the right standards is problematic in itself. It’s just giving people a pass to keep being problematic. People wanna talk here about a game without worrying about others disrespecting their culture and being rude to them. Moderation is supposed to stop that from happening, but clearly it isn’t happening.
The thing is leaving shouldn’t be the solution. This is a bit of a bigger situation, but here’s my analogy. Say there’s a problematic politician in your area and you don’t like their attitude on important issues such as this. The majority of people wouldn’t just move house or away from that area, they’d speak out against it. It’s the same here. Ignoring these issues or leaving a platform that people enjoy because of problematic people and moderation that is not up to the right standards is problematic in itself. It’s just giving people a pass to keep being problematic. People wanna talk here about a game without worrying about others disrespecting their culture and being rude to them. Moderation is supposed to stop that from happening, but clearly it isn’t happening.
great analogy except it has been spoken out about and guess what mods don’t care. also it’s extremely easy to create another group, it’s not easy to move houses.
Like it's clear y'all are not seeing the real problem. The problem here is that y'all using people's cultures as costumes while at the same time enforcing racist stereotypes about them. Why do y'all use braids and 4c hair and darken your skin during "jungle" and "alien events? I NEVER see white dolls use them during SYS where you dress elegant or classy. And in the Korean Streetwear SYS someone posted how a doll submitted a look wearing a Kimino. These aren't harmless looks but rather disgusting stereotypes. They say that dark skin and poc hair is wild or "alien" and that asian culture is all the same. And the fact that y'all are so quick to dismiss or ignore people's very VALID issues and try to gaslight them is just disgusting. And then ofc the people who speak out about this are punished while the offenders get a slap on the wrist. All we're asking is for you to listen to us and to take this seriously!
@reema I at first TRIED to be nice but after the attitude that you showed the first time and then coming back here and seeing that same attitude, do you really think I'm about to be nice? Especially bc you apologized after jesus only knows how long? Being polite towards you was not an option, especially after the first conversation we've had on the forum. You cannot expect someone to be polite towards while you disregarded the person and what they were saying, having an attitude towards them and basically not listening to what they are saying. This conversation is the same that was held the first time we spoke and you were nothing but rude to me while I was trying to be as nice as I could.
The thing is leaving shouldn’t be the solution. This is a bit of a bigger situation, but here’s my analogy. Say there’s a problematic politician in your area and you don’t like their attitude on important issues such as this. The majority of people wouldn’t just move house or away from that area, they’d speak out against it. It’s the same here. Ignoring these issues or leaving a platform that people enjoy because of problematic people and moderation that is not up to the right standards is problematic in itself. It’s just giving people a pass to keep being problematic. People wanna talk here about a game without worrying about others disrespecting their culture and being rude to them. Moderation is supposed to stop that from happening, but clearly it isn’t happening.
great analogy except it has been spoken out about and guess what mods don’t care. also it’s extremely easy to create another group, it’s not easy to move houses.
Well I agree with 1 of your points, mods don't care
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It stopped looking like a coincidence or something done unintentionally a while back.
So far we've had:
People being banned unfairly
Irrational excuses given
Been told to sit quiet and let racists prance around
Racists staying on the forum freely
People who are so unwilling to learn when someone tells them something is offensive towards their culture (and they even fight back cause common sense is turned off)
Been told it's fine for people to do whatever with their dolls with no limits
I honestly don't know what else to say. We've given you solutions, suggestions, ideas, you name it and yet... At this point it's very obvious that you know if you want to ban racists (that's IF you care) (which you don't) you'll empty out the people who are kind of active and the forum will be a desert since others are rarely here (because of how harmful this forum has been) . Idk, seems to me that you've created the harmful ambiance by refusing to step in and do better.
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Here's a start, though- an article that explains what microagressions are and why they're harmful: https://www.vox.com/2015/2/16/8031073/what-are-microaggressions
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